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Tbh this just goes to show there is really *no* benefits to external immigration for the natives. Even the real "engineers and doctors" are just replacing natives who could have performed those roles, and done so in a less atomised and more contextually relevant manner.

I always remember being at a private school aged 9 and turning and making an innocuous comment to a boy named "Winston Yap" - an uppity chinese 9 year old. And he gave a scathing repsonse back. I just think, how dare he? (speak that way to a native in his own country). Regardless, I think he was just jealous and he most likely grew up to be a squinty eyed 5'7" dork. But his personality sure sucked. And that's what this kind of education produces.

A robust community should aim higher than turning out hyper-credentialed drones like Winson who, ironically, lack the agency to shape society in a positive way.

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Gutting education as you suggest would undermine institutions. This is only acceptable if you introduce a new institution in which people can place their trust. I think you underestimate how vital academia is to the functioning of the America state, and how quickly things would get nasty in the event of a power vacuum. Trump has 50% of the populace, and the Republican Party is now Trump. But Trump is a man, and basing an institution on a man is not a recipe for stability.

I agree with your general criticism of education as signaling, but instead of gutting education, I think we should fortify it against Goodharting. I think the best way to do that is to introduce a physical fitness requirement for college admissions, and tie this requirement to federal funding.

There is no reason why every single Ivy League graduate cannot be a Division 1 athlete. There are enough athletes in the country with sufficient test scores. Essentially, I am suggesting affirmative action for athletes, to the degree that non-athletes are completely excluded from elite universities.

This would have a few effects:

1. Because muscle growth is inversely correlated with cortisol, parents who force stressful training regimes on their children would see diminishing returns.

2. Since immigrants have a weaker culture of athleticism, they would be less competitive.

3. Black students benefit the most from athletic affirmative action. However, black students are not Goodharting (with the exception of the immigrants you refer to from Africa).

The counter-argument to my scheme is that introducing athletic requirements for universities is a fantasy that will never come true, while your proposed solution of "accelerating the decline of prestige" is much more realistic.

I still believe it is important to put forth constructive solutions which attempt to imagine better institutions, rather than hollowing out existing ones and expecting the result to be fine. Stable institutions reduce the likelihood of inter-elite conflict and civil war.

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