The thing I love most about your posts are the well-supported-yet-counterintuitive takes.
"High IQ asian immigrants are bad, actually." (because they don't assimilate or innovate as much)
"Yes, Canada has done immigration better than basically every other country in the world, but it's a basket case in the making and should be annexed or brain drained to save it from itself."
That prime "single and dating age" gender imbalance is crazy if true, too - on the order of China or India, and having lived and done business there for years, dating SUCKS for regular Chinese guys, women won't even date you in a major city unless you own a house and car, which is on the same order as owning SF or NYC real estate as a barista.
It is true on a statistical level. However it is somewhat misleading. Most Indians still practice arranged marraige. Most young single Indian men in Canada plan to work for a few years, save some money, then import an Indian wife from their home province using their relative economic status as leverage. Also, very few canadian born women are willing to date a FOB Indian man.
People like Noah smith try to cope that Canada isn’t “really” high skill immigration anymore. Even though its employment visas are carbon copies of h1b scaled up and its diploma mills are similar to “staple a green card to every degree”.
The bottom line is that immigrants have a huge incentive to game the system and they pry open any loopholes that are there. Chain migration means that there really is no such thing as selective immigration in the long run.
Very good and true but you understate or omit a few things:
1. 25% of Canada's immigrants are family reunification immigrants, often elderly and medically needy, socially dependent, relatives.
2. Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of mass immigration. Welfare state meet immigration.
3. Canada allows in 200,000 almost refugees annually. They are not genuine refugees in origin and it is a sort of sneaky and disheveled immigration route. They are takers, not makers.
Canada is failing - visibly and probably irrevocably at this stage.
Canada's immigration policy in the past few years (especially after 2020) indeed seems a disaster. That said,
1) Comparing the US - the fastest-growing developed economy (boosted by huge deficits made possible by exorbitant privilege) - to Canada is cherry-picking. Pro-immigration advocates could do the same by picking Japan (comparing it to the rest of the developed world), which barely had any immigration and its economy largely stagnated in the past 3 decades.
2) Did the US actually have significantly less immigration than Canada if you take illegals into account? Their population has grown by 0.8 million from July 2022 to July 2023.
One could also argue that the unstated American strategy of keeping millions of people in an unauthorized status without summary deportation and letting them do the work most Americans aren’t willing to do for poor dirt wages is economically better (and probably even force more assimilation) than allowing tons of Indians legally in and letting them work in jobs Canadians would also be willing to do, just for lower wages.
For the rest, allowing freedom of movement between Canada and the US in exchange for the two countries harmonizing their immigration policies (largely Canada adapting the more strict US policies) is a good idea, and I think it would have been possible under the Poilievre administration. It's a pity Trump blew it by threatening tariffs over the non-existing Canada-US cross-border fentanyl smuggling (if anything, the opposite is a bit of a problem - there are far more drugs flowing into Canada from the US than in the other direction) and uniting almost all Canadians against him.
Very good and true but you understate or omit a few things:
1. 25% of Canada's immigrants are family reunification immigrants, often elderly and medically needy, socially dependent, relatives.
2. Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of mass immigration. Welfare state meet immigration.
3. Canada allows in more than 300,000 refugees annually. They are not genuine refugees in origin and it is a sort of sneaky and disheveled immigration route. They are takers, not makers.
Canada is failing - visibly and probably irrevocably at this stage.
I'd like to offer a tweak: Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of its own bloated bureaucracy, and mass immigration.
OK....I guess I am too late for comments here. Though it always perplexes me as to why readers are interested in discussing an issue only on a Substack schedule. As if an issue is vital the day the Substack host posts it....but of no interest at all by the next day.
One little trick surrounding the potential acquisition of ports was the one used by NZ's Jacinda Ardern several years ago. She was going to take out a loan to NZ from CCP China, putting up a NZ port as collateral. Can you guess the next bit? That -- oh, shucks! -- NZ would have to default on the loan for some fabricated reason. And the port would thus transfer to China.
Such a transparent ploy, but apparently very few saw it.
Just a note that the mass third world immigration to Canada actually began in the early 70s as "multiculturalism" under the first Troodo....Pierre.
Former PM Pierre Troodo was a self-avowed Communist (though he kept it quiet once he made it to the PMO). He was a Global elitist and member of the Club of Rome. His strategy was not about humanitarianism, needless to say.
I think one possible venue, though I wish Canada could rebound back to its former glory, would be making Canada a territory rather then state (or at least most parts) then work them into statehood later.
I am Canadian. Always a centrist, never leftwing. I am highly educated and Christian.
You make a mistake in saying that we are all gone. There are plenty like myself. Though as you must know from the American leftwing, even a vehement minority can cause great damage.
What do you think you would like to offer in return for requesting the second largest nation in the world give up its independence? We have many goodies here that would be to the benefit of the US to receive. So what is the deal in return? I'm afraid that simple territorial status is not nearly good enough.
Canadian Jordan Peterson is not an anomaly...Canada produced many like him. We are not fools. At least not the Canadians in my circles.
I don't think everyone is "gone" I just think the Average Canadian hates politics because they cannot deal with mature conversations.
Like try to have a convo with average/random Canadian about mass burials. In 1-2 minutes someone is accusing someone of denying genocide/rape etc...
Present company excepted.
I completely agree an organized minority rules a disorganized majority.
Btw I am Canadian.
What could America offer?
I imagine it would be by province (as per this week most of premiers went to US to talk without Federal government). Alberta has most to gain frankly, Quebec will never join (if by choice). Nor would Ontario.
Alberta would be wise (from their perspective) to play up for more independence (in best case). Just so they can have a way to freely use their resources and oil.
So Americans would offer Alberta chance to have 2A and 1A lifestyle, free movement with America and resource use that Ont/Quebec block currently.
I could also see An attempt to buy up territories in the name of "defense against foreign enemies", and artic shipping lanes. Offer? Give Canada free trade, and free movement, allow Canada to keep its Healthcare system that is falling apart for US military protect and access to Canada's (former) resources.
It could also be a permit type relationship to pay Canada to get the resources to make both countries richer.
I'd not like territorial status, but frankly it would make no sense from American Trump/maga perspective to grant citizenship right away. Like giving Goths/gauls or Visigoths citizen ship in rome makes it less Rome.
I'm speaking on this point strictly from smart political move as it would allow you to "educate" Canadian pop to be more American (specifically you make them maga americans).
But I think more likely is a splitting up of Canada into parts due to our extremely weak and complacent leadership/govt/people.
There are many exceptional Canadians.
But as you are probably very well aware Canada has (or at least where I'm from) its not very Canadian any more.
in early 00s I noticed it was very crabs in a bucket mentality. Anything exceptional gets beaten out of people.
Then they just started replacing the population.
I say none of this as a wish. These analyses are from what I think will happen. Which has bias but is not what I wish to happen.
I wish Canada was true north Strong and free. Red Ensign and all.
Hello Andrew, Thank you for that thoughtful reply. Pierre Troodo began the plan to destroy Canada back in the late 60s. With Maurice Strong. It is as if Pierre then raised a son specifically to continue the damage. I have no doubt that was the case. Sometimes I feel as if Canada is living out some terrible mythology.
The Canada I grew up in is gone. Never to return. I have faced facts about that. We are living in the same geographical space, but different country now. It has shocked and stunned me not only how extreme leftwing this Canada has become, but how weak and without personal agency too many Canadians now are. You are right about that. Large numbers have lost initiative, lost morals, lost intelligence, and become easily-led herd people. As if evolution has gone backwards. Not everyone of course, as I said. But I look around and ask myself whether there is something in the water these days....
Although the Communist Chinese have long been very talented at brainwashing, often without the knowledge of the targets, so I do wonder about that.
Canada's claim to fame in 2025 is that it hosts the largest suicide cluster in the world. And to complete the death-culture, we kill our unborn children almost with glee. It is like some satanic sci-fi novel.
The puppetmaster pulled the strings again these past few weeks, and the puppets are now dancing to the tune of sudden "patriotism". Almost as if the whole thing has been arranged. All of a sudden, the PM who lowered the national flag in front of Parliament to half-mast for six months is now declaring that he is an ardent flag waver. We are in upside-down land.
At any rate, Andrew, I was more playing devil's advocate earlier than I was serious. I know that in modern geopolitical terms alone, we are cooked as an independent country on the US border. They need a reliable northern bulwark for the continent. With China salivating to come onboard this hemisphere, things are becoming dicey. My wishes, and yours, are not going to change any of that.
The best idea may be to arrange the inevitable ....carefully and deliberately and with some dignity remaining, before we are pushed. This is too strategic a land mass in this era to leave it to Canada to operate. That's just the way it is. I weep for the Canada I once knew....but it lives only in the past now. In the memories of people who knew and loved it.
While I agree with your analysis (Especially the part about Trudeaus regime having been economically detrimental). I think you're conclusions are hyperbolic. As you state in your article there is already a large backlash that has developed and it is extremely likely that the Conservative party will form the next government. Therefore it seems to me that these issues will slowly correct themselves and there is no need for drastic measures.
America has been able to course correct by electing Trump. I don't see why Canada cannot do the same by electing Poilievre and returning to the pre 2015 status quo ante.
Giacomo, I invite you to reflect on the fact that we arguably are in the worst political crisis in the history of this country, and the party poised to win a large majority still doesn't offer a platform.
The thing I love most about your posts are the well-supported-yet-counterintuitive takes.
"High IQ asian immigrants are bad, actually." (because they don't assimilate or innovate as much)
"Yes, Canada has done immigration better than basically every other country in the world, but it's a basket case in the making and should be annexed or brain drained to save it from itself."
That prime "single and dating age" gender imbalance is crazy if true, too - on the order of China or India, and having lived and done business there for years, dating SUCKS for regular Chinese guys, women won't even date you in a major city unless you own a house and car, which is on the same order as owning SF or NYC real estate as a barista.
It is true on a statistical level. However it is somewhat misleading. Most Indians still practice arranged marraige. Most young single Indian men in Canada plan to work for a few years, save some money, then import an Indian wife from their home province using their relative economic status as leverage. Also, very few canadian born women are willing to date a FOB Indian man.
I think that being able to see in a counter-intuitive way is vital. Especially these days.
Recommended:
https://franciscogilwhite.substack.com/ "The Management of Reality"
People like Noah smith try to cope that Canada isn’t “really” high skill immigration anymore. Even though its employment visas are carbon copies of h1b scaled up and its diploma mills are similar to “staple a green card to every degree”.
The bottom line is that immigrants have a huge incentive to game the system and they pry open any loopholes that are there. Chain migration means that there really is no such thing as selective immigration in the long run.
Very good and true but you understate or omit a few things:
1. 25% of Canada's immigrants are family reunification immigrants, often elderly and medically needy, socially dependent, relatives.
2. Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of mass immigration. Welfare state meet immigration.
3. Canada allows in 200,000 almost refugees annually. They are not genuine refugees in origin and it is a sort of sneaky and disheveled immigration route. They are takers, not makers.
Canada is failing - visibly and probably irrevocably at this stage.
Canada's immigration policy in the past few years (especially after 2020) indeed seems a disaster. That said,
1) Comparing the US - the fastest-growing developed economy (boosted by huge deficits made possible by exorbitant privilege) - to Canada is cherry-picking. Pro-immigration advocates could do the same by picking Japan (comparing it to the rest of the developed world), which barely had any immigration and its economy largely stagnated in the past 3 decades.
2) Did the US actually have significantly less immigration than Canada if you take illegals into account? Their population has grown by 0.8 million from July 2022 to July 2023.
One could also argue that the unstated American strategy of keeping millions of people in an unauthorized status without summary deportation and letting them do the work most Americans aren’t willing to do for poor dirt wages is economically better (and probably even force more assimilation) than allowing tons of Indians legally in and letting them work in jobs Canadians would also be willing to do, just for lower wages.
For the rest, allowing freedom of movement between Canada and the US in exchange for the two countries harmonizing their immigration policies (largely Canada adapting the more strict US policies) is a good idea, and I think it would have been possible under the Poilievre administration. It's a pity Trump blew it by threatening tariffs over the non-existing Canada-US cross-border fentanyl smuggling (if anything, the opposite is a bit of a problem - there are far more drugs flowing into Canada from the US than in the other direction) and uniting almost all Canadians against him.
Very good and true but you understate or omit a few things:
1. 25% of Canada's immigrants are family reunification immigrants, often elderly and medically needy, socially dependent, relatives.
2. Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of mass immigration. Welfare state meet immigration.
3. Canada allows in more than 300,000 refugees annually. They are not genuine refugees in origin and it is a sort of sneaky and disheveled immigration route. They are takers, not makers.
Canada is failing - visibly and probably irrevocably at this stage.
I'd like to offer a tweak: Canada's public medical system has been failing slowly, like every communist project on a large scale, but is being crushed now under the weight of its own bloated bureaucracy, and mass immigration.
Which is one of the reasons that Troodo brought in the heinous MAID legislation. Making Canada the home of the largest suicide cluster in the world.
Speaking of Canada....this is unusual:
https://www.westernstandard.news/news/watch-trudeaus-brother-drops-bombshell-video-over-sick-ritual-and-blackmail-calls-for-redemption/62127
OK....I guess I am too late for comments here. Though it always perplexes me as to why readers are interested in discussing an issue only on a Substack schedule. As if an issue is vital the day the Substack host posts it....but of no interest at all by the next day.
Don't you find that odd?
Recommended:
MARRIOTT: What Trump wants from Canada
"What he is really interested in is our northern coast line as a global trade route."
https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/marriott-what-trump-wants-from-canada/62051
I have said forever that the foreign powers which want Canada are going to go first for the ports (on three coasts) and thus the sea routes.
One little trick surrounding the potential acquisition of ports was the one used by NZ's Jacinda Ardern several years ago. She was going to take out a loan to NZ from CCP China, putting up a NZ port as collateral. Can you guess the next bit? That -- oh, shucks! -- NZ would have to default on the loan for some fabricated reason. And the port would thus transfer to China.
Such a transparent ploy, but apparently very few saw it.
Just a note that the mass third world immigration to Canada actually began in the early 70s as "multiculturalism" under the first Troodo....Pierre.
Former PM Pierre Troodo was a self-avowed Communist (though he kept it quiet once he made it to the PMO). He was a Global elitist and member of the Club of Rome. His strategy was not about humanitarianism, needless to say.
Love this post.
It puts into words much of what I was thinking.
I think one possible venue, though I wish Canada could rebound back to its former glory, would be making Canada a territory rather then state (or at least most parts) then work them into statehood later.
But why would Canadians accept that second-class status?
Most Canadians hate politics.
They virtue signal for the high class thing (secular humanism).
If the ruling regime was gutted and replaced there would be bickering and complaining but most would roll over.
The only ones that would put of a fight are the ones that are in the outer circle of power that would only benefit from removal of Trudeauite regime.
I am Canadian. Always a centrist, never leftwing. I am highly educated and Christian.
You make a mistake in saying that we are all gone. There are plenty like myself. Though as you must know from the American leftwing, even a vehement minority can cause great damage.
What do you think you would like to offer in return for requesting the second largest nation in the world give up its independence? We have many goodies here that would be to the benefit of the US to receive. So what is the deal in return? I'm afraid that simple territorial status is not nearly good enough.
Canadian Jordan Peterson is not an anomaly...Canada produced many like him. We are not fools. At least not the Canadians in my circles.
Are you Canadian, Andrew?
Have you read this? Parts 1 and 2.
https://juliusruechel.substack.com/p/trumps-war-on-global-socialism-part-14f
I don't think everyone is "gone" I just think the Average Canadian hates politics because they cannot deal with mature conversations.
Like try to have a convo with average/random Canadian about mass burials. In 1-2 minutes someone is accusing someone of denying genocide/rape etc...
Present company excepted.
I completely agree an organized minority rules a disorganized majority.
Btw I am Canadian.
What could America offer?
I imagine it would be by province (as per this week most of premiers went to US to talk without Federal government). Alberta has most to gain frankly, Quebec will never join (if by choice). Nor would Ontario.
Alberta would be wise (from their perspective) to play up for more independence (in best case). Just so they can have a way to freely use their resources and oil.
So Americans would offer Alberta chance to have 2A and 1A lifestyle, free movement with America and resource use that Ont/Quebec block currently.
I could also see An attempt to buy up territories in the name of "defense against foreign enemies", and artic shipping lanes. Offer? Give Canada free trade, and free movement, allow Canada to keep its Healthcare system that is falling apart for US military protect and access to Canada's (former) resources.
It could also be a permit type relationship to pay Canada to get the resources to make both countries richer.
I'd not like territorial status, but frankly it would make no sense from American Trump/maga perspective to grant citizenship right away. Like giving Goths/gauls or Visigoths citizen ship in rome makes it less Rome.
I'm speaking on this point strictly from smart political move as it would allow you to "educate" Canadian pop to be more American (specifically you make them maga americans).
But I think more likely is a splitting up of Canada into parts due to our extremely weak and complacent leadership/govt/people.
There are many exceptional Canadians.
But as you are probably very well aware Canada has (or at least where I'm from) its not very Canadian any more.
in early 00s I noticed it was very crabs in a bucket mentality. Anything exceptional gets beaten out of people.
Then they just started replacing the population.
I say none of this as a wish. These analyses are from what I think will happen. Which has bias but is not what I wish to happen.
I wish Canada was true north Strong and free. Red Ensign and all.
Hello Andrew, Thank you for that thoughtful reply. Pierre Troodo began the plan to destroy Canada back in the late 60s. With Maurice Strong. It is as if Pierre then raised a son specifically to continue the damage. I have no doubt that was the case. Sometimes I feel as if Canada is living out some terrible mythology.
The Canada I grew up in is gone. Never to return. I have faced facts about that. We are living in the same geographical space, but different country now. It has shocked and stunned me not only how extreme leftwing this Canada has become, but how weak and without personal agency too many Canadians now are. You are right about that. Large numbers have lost initiative, lost morals, lost intelligence, and become easily-led herd people. As if evolution has gone backwards. Not everyone of course, as I said. But I look around and ask myself whether there is something in the water these days....
Although the Communist Chinese have long been very talented at brainwashing, often without the knowledge of the targets, so I do wonder about that.
Canada's claim to fame in 2025 is that it hosts the largest suicide cluster in the world. And to complete the death-culture, we kill our unborn children almost with glee. It is like some satanic sci-fi novel.
The puppetmaster pulled the strings again these past few weeks, and the puppets are now dancing to the tune of sudden "patriotism". Almost as if the whole thing has been arranged. All of a sudden, the PM who lowered the national flag in front of Parliament to half-mast for six months is now declaring that he is an ardent flag waver. We are in upside-down land.
At any rate, Andrew, I was more playing devil's advocate earlier than I was serious. I know that in modern geopolitical terms alone, we are cooked as an independent country on the US border. They need a reliable northern bulwark for the continent. With China salivating to come onboard this hemisphere, things are becoming dicey. My wishes, and yours, are not going to change any of that.
The best idea may be to arrange the inevitable ....carefully and deliberately and with some dignity remaining, before we are pushed. This is too strategic a land mass in this era to leave it to Canada to operate. That's just the way it is. I weep for the Canada I once knew....but it lives only in the past now. In the memories of people who knew and loved it.
I like Blackhorse's term Pierre was a Last man (he new about morals and Christian culture but flaunted them bc he was better than it)
His son is a post-last man. He does not understand Christianity or anything outside materialism (secular humanism).
I completely agree, its quite sad. I'm not too old but the Canada I grew up in (that was in the process of being ruined) is gone.
I think it has been a purposeful process of subversion. So I blame the people a bit but this was by design.
Post last men. Men of no where and of no time: https://andrewh8.substack.com/p/the-idols-of-our-time
I know its sad how many people are just so easily re-programmed.
They have a good memetic game. That is why I've come up with
HIRE Canadian. Instead of 'buy Canada'.
It brings back the identity aspect of the convo.
Canada has so long inflamed regional tensions (to stay in power) then they wonder why the regions are now looking to separate.
I too weep for Canada.
But c'est la vie. Its time to build something.
While I agree with your analysis (Especially the part about Trudeaus regime having been economically detrimental). I think you're conclusions are hyperbolic. As you state in your article there is already a large backlash that has developed and it is extremely likely that the Conservative party will form the next government. Therefore it seems to me that these issues will slowly correct themselves and there is no need for drastic measures.
America has been able to course correct by electing Trump. I don't see why Canada cannot do the same by electing Poilievre and returning to the pre 2015 status quo ante.
hopefully, but Poilievre is an immigration enthusiast, merely tying it to economic needs without really challenging it.
How do you know? There's still no platform on the CPC website, but one can sure donate or buy merch.
He has stated in interviews that he wants to return to the harper era immigration system, which i think worked quite well.
Giacomo, I invite you to reflect on the fact that we arguably are in the worst political crisis in the history of this country, and the party poised to win a large majority still doesn't offer a platform.
We are not serious people.
My platform is one that is high enough to push my opponents off of, to their death.